055: The Magic of Change: How Rebranding Opened New Doors

Mica: [00:00:00] Welcome. To the 55th episode of The Savory Shot. A podcast about the art and soul of working in food photography. I'm your host with the most, Mica McCook. I'm a food and beverage photographer based out of Austin, Texas. Before I start the show, I want to give a special thank you, a special shout out. To you, the listeners, if this is your first time listening to the show, welcome to the Hot Mess Express.

Pull up a chair, get comfy. If this is your 55th time, thank you for coming back, y'all. This show wouldn't exist without you. So thank you for being here. Thank you for listening. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. But let's get into it, y'all. I'm so excited to start today's show.

Question, or questions. Are you having trouble developing your brand? Is your brand, quote [00:01:00] unquote, forgettable? Are you blending in with the competition instead of standing out? Are you considering a rebrand? If you answered yes to one or all of these questions, then boo thang, this episode is for you. If you're struggling with your branding or you just don't have one.

I feel you. I've been there. More than once. In fact, I was there last year. As some of y'all know, I'm currently going through a rebrand. I'm putting Austin Food Guide to rest and I'm rebranding under my name, Mica McCook. It's been one heck of a journey. I face things about myself that I avoided for so long.

Embracing this rebrand has helped me find myself and what I'm about. It's exciting. I'm overwhelmed. I'm terrified, but I'm also just feeling [00:02:00] all of these different emotions. Like there's just so much going through my mind right now, but overall, I'm so excited. My new website debuts today and I couldn't be more thrilled to release this baby out into the wild.

It's finally here and I'm excited. But without further ado, today's guest is Amanda Shuman. Amanda is the founder and CEO of Carry Love Designs, a digital marketing agency that helps businesses create standout brands that attract their ideal clients. Amanda is a total branding whiz, y'all. She's helped over 200 businesses, including ya girl, find their magic.

And she's even spoken on stages all over the country about it. She hosts a podcast called Elevate to Impact. It's a podcast for wedding pros who want needle moving business advice. Y'all, even though her podcast is marketed towards folks in the wedding industry, there's so much tangible business advice that [00:03:00] is relatable to all kinds of industries.

So go give it a listen. It's on Spotify. It's on Apple. Fun fact, y'all. I I hired Amanda and her team to create a brand for Austin Food Guide in 2020. I'd finished school and I hit the ground running. She was the first that I reached out to.

And last year we reconnected when I decided to rebrand under my name. I knew she was the one I wanted to work with. There was no question, no doubt about it. This is going to be an interesting episode. I'm excited. It's hands down my favorite episode to date. Usually I'm the one doing the asking, but this time we're doing things a little differently.

Amanda and I will be interviewing each other for this episode. It's never been done before like this on the Savory Shot. So I hope you enjoy this switch up as much as I did.

[00:04:00] I loved this interview y'all, we talked about the power of rebranding, the importance of intentional branding, the value of evolving as a leader, oh my god, that part, like that part of the interview, my favorite, the significance of networking and overcoming rebranding hesitations. So grab your favorite drink, settle in.

Mica: And get ready to transform your brand and your business. But before we get into that, let's start the show. [00:05:00]

Amanda. I'm so excited about this conversation. I want to start off by saying thank you so much for coming on The Savory Shot and thank you for letting me be a guest on your podcast. thank you for being on the show.

Amanda: Same.

Mica: Well, this interview is unique because I'm in the middle of a [00:06:00] rebrand. It launches shortly after this episode will come out and we are going to be talking about that. You blew my mind away with Austin Food Guide.

Amanda: Yes. I had put notes on here for myself and selling, I think it already, it's going to come up in the conversation because it's easier because we've had a relationship and this is the second time that we have worked together, but I think that not something that I possess in all of the designers that CLD possess is the ability to see all these different dots that businesses have and business owners and we can start to see, "Oh well, this dot here and how it connects to this dot and how it connects to this dot." And we're constantly just like connecting them in our mind. Something that could seemingly, make no sense for like you, with your theatrical background [00:07:00] where you could look at that and be like, "Okay, that has nothing to do with photography. It has nothing to do with the hospitality landscape." But in my mind, I'm seeing all these dots because you know, it's our forte. It's what we do for a living.

It's what we're experts in. We can start to connect them to one another and really pull together a brand strategy that is unique as to what somebody else was originally thinking. I was just on a kickoff call with a client yesterday and we got into the conversation of I've never thought about these things this way."

She's been doing this for years, but we come on with just even a fresh set of eyes and we're able to say, "Hey, are you doing this? And I noticed that you said this. Because you want to do this, are you doing this? It's just constantly connecting the dots.

Mica: Something you just mentioned about the kickoff call that you had, I had that same reaction as your [00:08:00] client. The first time we did the rebrand, I had like this idea of what I wanted, but it was very foggy and fuzzy.

I knew the feeling that I wanted it to look like and somehow y'all took all these fuzzy ideas and just created this amazing picture. And I was like, Oh my God, yes this, all of this. I want to start off by asking now when you first started CLD, did you have a vision for the type of clients that you wanted to work with and how has that evolved over time?

Amanda: Starting out, and this is still the same advice that I give to other business owners that are starting out today, like in the year of our Lord 2024, is that I think whenever you're first starting out, you just work with anybody and everybody because as we did eventually pivot into the wedding industry and that's where we were serving clients for a really long time, I wouldn't have known that those were our people [00:09:00] and that's who we wanted to serve unless I had worked with other people and just realized like "These don't as creatively light me up or we just don't drive as much. Michelle Ganey of LaMiga events, which I will forever shout her name. because she was notable in the industry back then, whenever she first worked with us and I really felt like she took a chance on me and on CLD. And she may not have known that at the time, like how big of a deal it was. But once I worked with Michelle of LaMiga, I was like, "Man, I loved it. I love the people. I love the imagery. I love the whole process of it. I like to say that I didn't pick the wedding industry. They picked me.

Oh, I get to drop some like future bombs here. So we're in the process of rebranding CLD our second rebranding. I hired all the people that I definitely wanted to work with in 2021.

Now at the end of 2024, we're rebranding CLD into a full scale digital marketing agency [00:10:00] where we want to be working with really big accounts as well. I feel like you and I are in very similar positions in business, and we've walked along the same path at the same time.

that vision is evolving for CLD the same time that I feel like it's evolving for you.

Mica: That's super exciting that you're going through a rebrand and transitioning. Does it feel any different as a designer versus when you're serving your clients and strategizing for them?

Amanda: Yeah, you know, the first time when I went through a rebrand of 2021, I was like, "Oh I really get it now." Like working with the people that I wanted to work with, I saw it from a different side and now this time I'm like, "Oh man, I need to document all these things so that I can remember these moments whenever I'm back on the other side."

One question that I get asked a lot from other people is when do I know it's time to rebrand? How do I know that? One of the things that has [00:11:00] stuck in my mind this time is it's a gut feeling. Nobody knows your business and where you're at better than yourself.

But also I have always been very proud of my website for like the longest time. I was like, "Go check out my website. Like it is our masterpiece." And then whenever I really finally realized that time to rebrand, it was because for the first time since 2021, I looked at our website and I was like, this doesn't serve me well anymore.

Like I still love it, but it's not taking me to where I want to go. And so that was like. Okay, who do I hire? Where do I start? Let's start this process because I have it in goal. I have clients that I want to attract and this website served me well for three years, but it's time for a new phase.

Mica: I think they say three to five years you're supposed to evolve with time. [00:12:00] Unless you're Space Jam, which they just changed their website recently, but they held on to that 1996 old website for all the years, which I guess it's cool if you're from the, you're a kid of the nineties and you want to go look at it and you're like, Ooh, nostalgia, but if they had kept the same website when they rebooted Space Jam with LeBron, it would have never worked.

Amanda: I'd like, they had to go through, there was a period between it not being nostalgic and cool that they had to go through and bear that era to where it was just outdated and not cool.

Mica: Yeah they had to say goodbye to the first generation that it served and, and rebuild it for the new kids on the block.

Amanda: Which brings me to my first question for you is you talked about the first era that it served and I let me know like what inspired you to reach out about the rebrand for Austin Food Guide.

Mica: Oh man, it was, it was a tough decision. I'll just start off by saying that. [00:13:00] I'm known to hang on to things forever. It's an emotional attachment for me. I've saved every single birthday card, holiday card, gift card that I've ever received. I hang on to these things because, people take the time to write a beautiful message and it just makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

When I think about Austin Food Guide. It started as a place for me to practice food photography, and it was an exciting Instagram account. I would just share food, and I was growing as a photographer. But as I evolved as a photographer, my style changed. The things that interested me changed the types of brands and clients that I wanted to work with changed. My website didn't, but I was still hanging on to it because your team did an amazing job and a lot of time and effort went into building this. What convinced me finally was a mentorship program. [00:14:00] Apostrophe Reps They are a photo rep agency. They're based in New York and they're based in Los Angeles and they host a 12 week mentorship where they guide like eight to 10 photographers that are BIPOC photographers. Over 300 photographers applied, and out of those 300 plus they choose eight. At the end and we were working on branding, and I was like, here's my website. I'm so proud of it. This is a wonderful website. And my mentors were like, yes, this is a wonderful website. But we almost didn't pick you because when we went to Austin Food Guide, we thought this was a magazine. We didn't know who is this person, but your portfolio, Mica McCook, is what sold us.

This is who she is. You need a brand that matches the work you're doing now. That is what convinced me to let go of Austin Food Guide.

So it was, it was a hard, it was a hard goodbye, [00:15:00] but I'm very excited for the future and to show everybody the new brand that your team create and develop for me. It matches who I am as a photographer today. I'm just really excited.

Amanda: So what is the biggest difference, would you say, between your old brand and your new brand?

Mica: When I developed Austin Food Guide, I was excited to be out of school. I was excited to hit the ground running. And I was like, I want to work with anybody who sells food.

Anybody who has a restaurant, anyone who does beverages. Are you a food magazine? I want to do work for you. Are you a cookbook? I want to do work for you. I was just excited to do food photography. As I developed and changed and grew and booked more work, I began to realize these are the types of shoots that I want to do more of, and I want to step away from those shoots.

Those were terrible experiences. I want to do that again. I realized my Austin Food Guide [00:16:00] website wasn't attracting me the brands that I wanted to do more work with. 2020 is when we did the rebrand.

Amanda: Yeah,

Mica: Yeah, it's been four years, four years. I was just excited to be a food photographer. And now I'm like, no, I know what kind of work I wanna do. I know what work excites me and this is what I need to attract that work.

That's the biggest difference between the rebrand now is that I just, I know myself so much more as a photographer, as a creator and who I wanna work with.

Amanda: This is one of my favorite stories to tell people because I talk about for us, like on CLD side, whenever we're working with clients. Working with the branding and the website and the creative part is obviously one of my favorite parts where I wouldn't be in here. But another part is watching the confidence level of somebody change whenever they rebrand in that it's not like you had the same portfolio. You have the [00:17:00] same skillset. You had the same experience before you branded with us originally in 2019- 2020. But I remember you telling me afterwards, you were like, I went from doing three to $500 shoots to $3000 to $5,000 shoots. And I was like, that's like the most massive change in pricing that I have heard from somebody, but also that it was literally just your confidence level because everything else had stayed the same.

Mica: Yes. When I went from doing small shoots to all of a sudden having a team and I just got thrust into that. And so I'm like, wait, so who am I supposed to hire? What am I supposed to do?

So there was just so much more growth that I needed to develop on the other end. And now that I'm looking at even bigger brands where the expectation is to have this whole thing of teams. The [00:18:00] branding needs to match that when they hire me, this is who they're getting.

I wanna ask you this. So you've talked a lot about the importance of intentional branding. Most of the people who listen to the show are food stylists, prop stylists, pretty much anybody who works in the commercial food photography industry. And a big struggle that a lot of them have is intentional branding.

So how can someone like a food stylist, prop stylist, or another food photographer discover their unique brand story?

Amanda: I want to highlight this, because I think you said this earlier, and somebody might have brushed over this, and so I want to bring it back up, you said that you are the photographer. You want them to know that they are hiring you. Because at the end of the day being a food stylist, a prop stylist, it can turn into somebody comparing work wise apples to apples.

But, you are selling you and your [00:19:00] experience and your personality. Earlier you were hiding behind Austin Food Guide. And I think that some food photographers, stylists, that they can, they may be branded underneath their name, but they are still hiding. Step one is just to stop hiding.

To really show up as you, as gosh, I'm going to say this cliche word, but show up authentically as yourself, because that's what's going to make somebody hire you over somebody else.

As human beings, we are so layered, we're like onions. How do I account for this, and I like this. All of these different adjectives that you have to be able to select three to five that you really want to highlight. You talk about your theatrical background. That is one very small sliver of who you are.

But, from a branding [00:20:00] standpoint, we really pull that out, and we are going to emphasize it more than what you might in your regular everyday life. If you think about actors and actresses, they always over embellish how they act on screen, because it's going to look natural, but the actors and actresses don't act like that in their normal everyday life.

So from a branding standpoint, that's what we do is we take a couple of different dots that we can see connecting, and that can turn into a full brand story.

Mica: Now the adjective parts, what if they feel like the adjectives are not, I don't even know if this is a right way to ask, adjective y enough or unique enough. How do they know that that's like really them?

Amanda: How do they know if that's really them?

I think that it's best to go and ask your core five people that are around you. This could be personal. This could be business and [00:21:00] ask them if they had to choose three to five adjectives to describe you, what would those adjectives be?

Because how they are describing you is one, how you come off to other people, but also how they are remembering you. So I think that's a really great place to start is to maybe not look introspectively, but outward.

Mica: With the mentorship, that was one of the exercises that we had to do. Once you find those coveted three to five, it really feels like this is the anchor that's going to keep, no matter what trends happen, no matter what goes around us, these keep me anchored in my message.

Amanda: Yeah. I like that, what you said about trends too, because trends come and go, but you do want to make sure once again, I'm going to say authentic to you. I hate that word. It really is true. But that brings me to this question for you is why was, and I guess it's a two part question.

I [00:22:00] want to know if like those adjectives. Because I cannot remember what adjectives we would use with your first rebrand.

Mica: I can't remember either.

Amanda: But I want to know, how have those adjectives helped to connect you or shift you towards that target audience that you are wanting to target with your rebrand? And how or why was that, that rebrand important to try to reach the new audience?

Mica: When Austin Food Guide first came out. I was just really on the cusp of discovering the kind of work I was inspired by and the work that I liked. Past professor, told us, I can teach you how to be a photographer, but your style is what's going to define you.

No matter what trends happen, your style will stay the same, but you can take whatever trend is out there And you can adjust it to your style. So people will know this is so and so's work. We all know what Annie Leibovitz's work looks like.

We all [00:23:00] know when we see a David LaChapelle, we know that's who they are. And I didn't have that when I graduated school, I was still just trying to take pretty pictures, but they weren't definitively, this is a Mica McCook.

I am a theatrical, timeless, flavorful food photographer, and I love color, and I'm all about color. I know who I am as a photographer now. I know who I want to work with. I know what work excites me. I had to realize that Austin Food Guide did exactly what it was supposed to do when it first launched. I wanted to go from making 300 to 5, 000 per shoot. I did that. Now, I want to go from making 5, per shoot to 25, 000, like 50, 000, like those are the type of budgets that I want to get and in order to attract that, I need to put out a brand that shows that they're going to get that with me.

Amanda: Because even though you know that you're worth that, they don't, and your website and [00:24:00] your brand is your first impression. My brand and website does the majority of the selling for me, and people are more primed to buy.

Mica: I want to ask you, we're going back to the rebrand. What's been the most eye opening, surprising part of this process?

Amanda: This one might actually surprise you. I hired a mentor a month or two ago. And she works with seven and eight figure businesses. And she's one of those people where I felt like I have been a really big fish in a small pond for a really long time. For the first time in a long time after talking with her, I felt like a really small fish in a large ocean. And she casually drops this bomb while we are talking on a call. This was like a mic drop moment and she didn't even know because she just kept carrying on and I was like grabbing a pen trying to write this down. [00:25:00] She goes, the business can only grow as fast as the leader evolves.

Mica: Ooh.

Amanda: I know. And whenever she, I know whenever she said that I went like, you know, whenever you get a church service and like the preacher says like a really good verse or something, I literally on the call, I was like, like, let me grab my pen and she just casually kept on talking. And that to me was like a really big, lightbulb moment of yeah, we are continuing to evolve.

Maybe I have been at this ceiling for a really long time, but the reason why I can't break through this ceiling is because I'm not intentionally evolving and stepping out and doing anything different. And so that was like the one thing that's really, maybe not surprise me, but it was one of those gut punch moments.

Mica: And you just said something, intentional evolving [00:26:00] that, because so many of us, we treat evolvement as like this organic thing that's, the wind is blowing and then I evolved. And it's no, to take control of your life, of your, whatever your circumstances is saying, this is who I am now, but I don't want to always be this way.

So I'm going to do the work that I need to do in order to get to point C or D, or whatever point that you're trying to get to I'm going to use that word forever now, intentional involving. I like that very much.

Amanda: And you might feel the same way. Cause like I said, I feel like we're in very similar stages and we have been for a while that another little nugget that I want to tell our listeners is whenever you're in that in between where you've built up a business, like you are successful in where you're at, but you're also building for that [00:27:00] next step.

So like for CLD right now, we're managing 40 something projects at one time. But I'm also like, okay, I want to continue on in, build something bigger and greater and serve, bigger budgets, bigger clients. There's this really hard part in the journey to where you feel like you're straddling two different things at one time and you're trying to keep 18 different plates in the air and it's hard. But I know from doing this originally in 2021, that there is a messy middle to where you feel like you're being pulled in two different directions.

And you're trying to maintain almost two different businesses at the same time to where you feel like you really are running a marathon and you're like I feel like I'm putting in all this work, I'm putting in all this extra time and energy and I'm not seeing anything from it. But stick with it, because you will.

I literally had to remind myself of this morning. I was like, I feel like I've, if I add [00:28:00] another more, like one more thing to my calendar, I might have a mental breakdown. But I'm like, this is only for a season. You're going to see the fruits of your labor. Just stick with it.

I want to know what is, what's next for your brand after launching?

Mica: I have all of these crazy ideas of like what I want to do. But the main goal is I really want to get an agency, a photo rep. I would love to continue growing a Savory Shot. More than anything, I'm just going to be stepping in front of the camera, so to speak. My name is plastered on everything at this point.

I've hidden behind Austin Food Guide for so long that I've just grown comfortable being in the back.

And I'm putting this out here, cause I think I have potential. I want to be on the show, Nailed It. My mother in law and one of my best friends gifted me with all of these crazy Harry Potter baking books. One of them is a gingerbread [00:29:00] castle and i'm like I could so do that. So I'm putting it out there. I want to be on Nailed It. I just need to submit my video and may the producers that produce Nailed It, see magic over here and have me on their show. I think I would be pretty bomb on it.

Amanda: While we're putting things out there, if the producers of Survivor are watching this show, I have submitted an application three times, and think that I should be on Survivor.

Mica: We got Survivor Put us on, we would be fantastic to be on the show. So yeah.

So as a designer, as a strategist, you're working with high end businesses. What is one lesson that you've learned with working with luxury brands that can apply to all businesses, no matter what their size?

Amanda: That's a good question. I [00:30:00] think that's something I have realized this year after, CLD has been around, we have turned eight in February, so seven years. And I think more so this year than any other year, I have realized that your network is your net worth.

Putting time and energy into relationships and building them up and even if you think that, oh, this person, can't help my business or whatever, I don't see the immediate fruit of what this relationship could do.

Amanda: That it always comes back around. There are so many times where I meet somebody and, they're like, oh, I'm a roofer and I'm like, I don't know how I can help you. But then something will end up happening. I'm like, oh, I know this person. And so really, especially as you get into high end businesses and you get into luxury, it is all about the connections and who you know. Something that I wish I would [00:31:00] have taken more time to be more intentional about putting energy into thoughtful relationships. And building up my network.

Mica: Your answer reminds me of an interview I did with. with Gerri, who she's a prop stylist based in New York and I had her on as a guest. When I was doing my research, couldn't find anything on her. Like I had to go into Wayback Machine and type in her name and I found some random website from 2008 that listed some interesting tidbits about her. The reason why I wanted her on the show is because every photographer and food stylist and other prop stylists that I talked to that was based in New York, they all said, you need to interview Gerri. She really emphasized her relationships and her network.

Like you can't, you, she has her Instagram and that's it, but she is constantly. busy. She's got shoot after shoot booked and it's because she'd [00:32:00] spend so much time fostering her relationships And she like really drove it into me to like really care about your relationships and treat them like you would a little bird's egg a little chicken egg that you're waiting for it to hatch like you've got to be really coveted with it and I'm like dang.

She's right. What is next after your rebrand?

Amanda: Man so we are moving to a full scale digital marketing agency. One of the biggest things is that you had to go through our rebranding process in order to work with us on marketing. I closed our marketing doors because I kept getting inquiries from clients and I'm like, you don't have a brand, you don't have a website.

Like I'm not allowing you to waste your money with us because it's just not going to be fruitful. As we are pivoting to working with hospitality groups, interior designers, real estate developers. These businesses that already have a well established brand and website. [00:33:00] Where we can also just come in and partner with them on their marketing and strategic plans and campaigns and I have somebody on our team right now that is getting mentored in actually learning about brand photography and videography.

It's what she went to school for but she, sold all of her equipment, five, 10 years ago, and now she's having to like relearn the industry. And being able to have a team that, Hey, if you need a photo shoot done for a campaign, we can go and we can fly out there and we can get all the content.

Moving into just that full scale marketing agency to where we're the ones dealing with, companies with 10, 20 million plus in putting in bids. Even currently right now, like I probably 10 percent of my job is actually designing now as being the CEO.

I just don't get to do a lot of it. And I'm okay with that because I really, we have a uber, a talented team, like even more so than me. I'm like, man, I have surrounded myself with amazingly [00:34:00] talented people. But I enjoy the business aspect of it. And for a long time, we were serving clients who were very much so creative and they didn't know the first thing about business And I want to talk to people on a business level and so I think that's what I'm most excited about is getting to serve people who are business owners first and maybe creative secondly, instead of vice versa.

Mica: Business person first, creative second. Do you think those are interchangeable or are you either one or the other?

Amanda: They can be interchangeable from like day to day, but I think from like an high overview standpoint, if I had to choose business or creative, I'd probably sway a little bit more to the business side. But if I'm designing a website, then I'm like, you know, I love doing it and I'll swing all the way creative.

But if I had to choose [00:35:00] one or the other, like, I like the strategic thinking, the building out campaigns, the what are brand activations that we can do? I really enjoy that side of it. So if I had to choose, I would swing on the business side, and I think that's for everybody. You either swing one way or another.

Like, you may love both, but if you had to choose one, which one would it be?

Mica: You mentioned that you have this wonderful team, and that your team is bomb. Like I, I sometimes wonder if am I messaging too much? And I've never got any impression that I wasn't. Has there been any difficulties with stepping away from the creative side? And if so, what's made it easier to do so?

Amanda: There's not been any difficulties because being the CEO, I can decide where I want to step in for the most part. If there's a project, I'm like, okay I'm just aligning myself to that project. So that's one of the greatest gifts of being the CEO is I get to decide, like, where I'm going to step in.

It may have been harder [00:36:00] if I didn't feel like the team was as talented that they are, and I couldn't trust them, but a lot of the times they come back with designs and I'm like, wow. That is ten times better than what I could have done.

Mica: Shout out to your amazing team.

Amanda: Yes, they get all the credit.

Mica: My last question for you is what would you say to a listener who is either considering a rebrand or considering branding altogether? And they're struggling with that decision. What would you say to them to push them over the threshold?

Amanda: This might be a, a cop out answer, but I would love to hear it. Because I'm not going to answer, I'm going to put it on you. What would you say? That would push somebody over the edge what has been like the number one, ROI or takeaway from finally because it is I tell my clients all the time.

It's a trust fall [00:37:00] because you're putting money into the machine and you're hoping that more money comes out of the machine, essentially. And sometimes it's a delayed, like you have to wait for the brand to launch and for you to start marketing. And so it's not, Oh, okay I'm going to give you a dollar and I'm going to get to you back right away.

I would love to hear what you would think would push somebody over the edge, especially for your type of audience that listens to the podcasts.

Mica: I like what you did there. My husband and I were actually talking about this a while ago. Write a couple of things down of what you think is holding you back from being on the other side and really be objective about it. These are just real objective answers. And once you have like this long list of all the things that are. in your eyes holding you back from where you want to be, you'll start to realize that a lot of those things are things that could easily be changed by a decision of rebranding. Does your [00:38:00] website match the work that you represent? If it just doesn't represent you, then that's where you're at, it's time to do it. Get excited about what could come of it and go from there. So that's what I would say to someone.

There you go. You heard it first from Mica.

Mica: I want to thank you so much for. being on the show and for letting me be on your show. I had such a good time.

Amanda: I know this has been so much fun.

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